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indar9

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Bystander--again
« on: February 18, 2018, 09:03:22 PM »
Bystander

Say its a tool, a safeguard,
a right to freedom from victimization,

more than anything it's American:
How the West was won,

slung in holsters, galloped furiously
across a continent by dime-novel heroes,

roaring out of the 20s with crime mobs
from New York to Chicago, packing heat,

steadfast companion of righteous believers
standing fast in the country's heartland

and the glib, glittering gangs
and gangster rappers of LA,

the true nature of it, the glinting weight,
the singing power of a mystical force in potential

rediscovered in a nightstand drawer--
the cybernetic thrill while fingering the trigger

an imagined plot, a pretend aim
and then, almost without thinking...

I keep dragging this poem around, reposting and reposting it. I remember a time when it was glamorous to smoke. I lived through a time when certain (paid) members of the scientific community said there was no correlation between smoking and lung disease, I remember a minority of interested parties , tobacco producers, keeping a tight hold on congress to fight health warnings on cigarette packages and retain the right to market to children etc. You will not see a young man lighting Jennifer Lawrence's cigarette in Hunger games. Its not cool

Guns in America are not cool--the day of the vigilante hero is over, we can legislate but we also need a campaign like the ones we saw with the Marlboro man singing through an electronic larynx---yeah really macho.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=youtube+you+don%27t+always+die+from+tobbacco&view=detail&mid=B049D03C055B9E7052CAB049D03C055B9E7052CA&FORM=VIRE

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Re: Bystander--again
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2018, 09:33:07 PM »
These huge topics are the hardest to write about!!!

The premise of this is not clear. I'm not getting the link from the first 7 couplets to the outcome.

I think Jonathan Pie sells it. See what you think:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkH3mJnloO0
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« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2018, 10:10:55 PM »
I put the link into an email form which I will distribute to all the people I correspond with here in the US. Unfortunately I will mostly be preaching to the choir--but still it might help to get it out there any way we can. The point I make is how the gun is glorified. I wrote this originally about a single young boy who shot a friend but the bulk of the poem is about the American attitude re guns that advances the "my gun is bigger than your gun" attitude here. We are subjected to gun-totin' heroes day in and day out.

Johnathan Pie has become a new hero of mine.

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« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2018, 11:20:48 PM »
I agree with all that Pie says. Nonetheless I'm slightly uncomfortable about pointing the finger. Despicable things happen here too; acid attacks are becoming common.

So it seems like a good start to make getting guns harder, but what about understanding why people resort to violence? Is that such a difficult question that we are no not going to even ask it?
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« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2018, 11:35:57 PM »
It has to be a multiple pronged approach--its so complex. If it seems a single approach won't work it gets shouted down and then nothing gets done. But studying use of violence, hero worship, gun lobbyists aka profit motive, mental illness, power and control and figuring out how all those things work in concert might be a start.

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« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2018, 03:38:16 PM »
Love Johnathan Pie. Only a comedian can get away with the truth.

I think most countries are reaching the tipping point for violence. Too many people in too small of an area, too difficult to make ends meet for the average family. If guns were made illegal, you might stop mass shootings, but I doubt you would stop the violence.

We've somehow glamorized guns to the point that some people consider them a solution to problems.

My solution? Mandatory birth control. One child, then tie it off. Only half kidding.
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« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2018, 08:37:50 PM »
I agree with all that Pie says. Nonetheless I'm slightly uncomfortable about pointing the finger. Despicable things happen here too; acid attacks are becoming common.

Further thoughts on Mark's comment. There is a difference. The UK was not (partially)  built on the image of he-men striding around with bottles of acid strapped to their hips. My point in this poem is one thing that can be done without action by congress is to start a campaign against "glorification of the gun"

D, is it possible that zero sum thinking is as much to blame for violence as population growth?  The US is having problems supplying a labor force and yet everyone complains someone else is taking all the jobs, are expectations too high? Could the definition of "job" be changeing? We're told a college education is the answer but to what? Not everyone can become a billionare just because they got a BA in Business. 

As to population growth, Japan started a campaign years and years ago. Because they are so limited in land they began picturing happy families of four. Two children was an ideal promoted in ads , literature, medical advice etc. It worked pretty well. Positive education I call it--not condemning something but promoting an alternative.